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Thursday 8 December 2022

Hooptedoodle #434 - Bookmark and Ramifications

And we note our place with book markers, that measure what we've lost

 I was looking through some old books the other morning - trying to find some military reference or other, and a suitably old bookmark fluttered to the floor.


I must have been given this to accompany a book purchase, one among so many. The old-style telephone number (031 for Edinburgh) indicates that this purchase must have been before 1995 [I knew you'd spot that, Watson], though I am surprised that the insertion of a "1" as second digit of UK phone numbers was as recent as that. No matter.

I am a little embarrassed to relate that I had a single employer from the time I left university until I took early retirement, and for much of that period I was based in or around George Street, and for a large proportion of my lunch breaks I would have been in The Edinburgh Bookshop for some of the time. It wasn't an especially brilliant bookshop - it was always overshadowed locally by James Thin's and Baumeister's and the many specialist booksellers in the Old Town, but - well, it was in George Street, wasn't it? On wet days, cold days and just plain boring days I would traipse along to No.57 after my lunch.

It wasn't a very welcoming store. In charge of the shop-floor were two older ladies who always wore black - very serious older ladies. They were devoted followers of the old Edinburgh principle that anyone who worked in a shop was a cut above anyone who might have the temerity to shop there, and they were very hard on anyone who did not conform to their high standards.

Right at the start of my interest in wargaming, I went into the EB (which, confusingly, was usually known locally as "Brown's", though I never met anyone who remembered it actually being Brown's - I suspect it was one of those social tricks to make outsiders feel uncomfortable) to order the Osprey book about the Iron Brigade. They had a stand of Ospreys, so, since I couldn't find the Iron Brigade, I was encouraged to ask.

Mistake. One of the two Angels of Death rolled her eyes at me, and refused to order it.

"Our stock of these is bewildering, we have lots of them, I think the quality is very poor, and I am not going to order a single copy. I'm sure that if you look in again you may find the item you are looking for, though why anyone should be interested in such matters escapes me."

Right.


That kind of sets the tone. I was just a spotty actuarial trainee at the time, and was used to being abused as part of my normal day, so I was not scarred by the experience, and I bought the book on a trip to Newcastle, later the same year. Visiting "Brown's" became a ritual punishment for my colleagues and me - there were many tales of retribution.

My friend Jake Mansfield was asked to leave on one occasion, because he was carrying a Woolworths carrier bag; it was explained to him that a lot of important people patronised the shop, and it was necessary to preserve the tone of the place. Paul Levack was asked to leave because he was carrying a box of cream cakes, obtained from the patisserie next door - maybe this was more understandable. Andy Scott was asked to stop chewing gum.

We were always on our best behaviour - you can understand why.

There were some prominent visitors, in fact - one regular was Professor Peter Higgs (of boson fame), whom I knew slightly because he had been my Mathematical Physics lecturer for one year at university, and there were all manner of lawyers and medical consultants and financial superheroes - none of whom I knew at all, naturally.

I remember one particular incident with affection - it encapsulates so many human frailties in one short lesson, I feel...

I was in "Brown's" at lunchtime, as usual, and decided to ask if they could obtain a particular book for me. The shop was fairly quiet, and I realised with a sinking heart that I would have to speak to one of the Black Sisters. She was already "helping" someone else - generally nondescript middle-aged man, rather below average height, I recall. I stood behind him, to wait my turn. He was not doing well; the lady in charge was becoming very exasperated - shaking her head and being even more rude than usual. He had obviously brought into the shop some kind of a receipt for something he had ordered previously.

"Oh, this is ridiculous - what is all this here? [pointing]"

"I'm sorry, your colleague completed the order - I believe that is the title of the book, is it not?"

"[Theatrical sigh] I can see that it is a title - no - this, here - 'Melville' - is that supposed to be the author?"

"No - no, that is my name..."

"MELVILLE?? - what sort of a name is that? - Melville What? - or is it Mr Melville?"

"No - I'm sorry - it's my name - I am the Viscount Melville."

The lady leapt to attention - like a ramrod; she didn't salute, but I would not have been surprised if she clicked her heels together. Obviously she had been blind-sided by one of these important customers she used to speak of, and what followed was a demonstration of fawning obsequiousness which was so embarrassing that I actually crept away and left them to it. This must be what happens when someone takes a hefty kick in the value-set. I have never forgotten it. The lady in question must have been dead for many years now, but I still remember the occasion with a gentle warmth. Ahhh...   


Edinburgh Bookshop disappeared around 2006. For a time it may have been Ottakers, I believe it was actually a branch of the great rival, James Thin's, for a little while, which must have hurt them deeply. It must have been knocked for six by the arrival of Waterstones, and it was certainly finished off by the rescheduling of George Street to become a very posh shopping area. Nowadays if you cannot eat it or sip it or wear it you will not find it in George Street. Such is progress. Last time I looked, No.57 was a shop selling up-market outdoor sports clothing, but  that may have changed now. The only remaining clue was the iconic clock over the front door.


I was astonished that I cannot find any old photos of The Edinburgh Bookshop online - not even Brown's. I had intended to include a suitably gloomy b&w shot. Just nothing. I spent so many hours there, over the years, on my very best behaviour, and it has vanished without trace. That's not easy to get your head around. There is a new Edinburgh Bookshop now, in Bruntsfield Place, away from the city centre, but they are a completely separate operation; just to be sure, I phoned them up - I spoke to a charming, friendly, helpful lady who was unaware that the old shop had ever existed, and who obviously wouldn't have lasted ten minutes with them, back in the day.

Perhaps I imagined it?

  

29 comments:

  1. Sadly bookshops are thinning out , we are lucky to have a good Waterstones - but not the same as the quirky old fashioned ones.

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    1. I am certainly aware that it is almost impossible to sell books through eBay now, yet my friend Simon the Bookseller swears that demand for books experienced something of a minor boom during the pandemic period, partly because people had more spare time to fill, and partly because (at last) there is a general preparedness to admit that reading a book on a mobile phone is an extremely unrewarding exercise.

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  2. What a great lunchtime read! A veritable trip back in time to Britain in a former age. Very Fawlty-esque.

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    1. Thank you Chris. There must be many people in Edinburgh who have been disciplined for daring to shop at 57 George Street over the years; maybe all records have been expunged as a matter of policy?

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  3. As I said the other day on the inexorable downward slide (in my eyes) of the otherwise very successful Forbidden Planet store (almost empire) . . . "...it's the great tragedy of human existence - the inevitability of that existence ceasing to exist!".

    H

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    1. Hugh - not for the first time, I believe you have placed your finger on the very soul of the problem. My compliments. I shall read that again, to gain the full benefit.

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  4. That kind of Monty Python shop service has pretty much died out except possibly in Totnes (go and see if you don't believe me). In the early 80s when I started work in the toy business we had a very good children's bookshop within our Bath branch run by a very knowledgeable (and nice) lady. Once on unpacking a delivery of books in the 'Discovering' series she was horrified to see a copy of one of the 'Discovering Wargaming' books (can't remember which one) and insisted that I take it as she didn't want it polluting her book shelves! Sounds like a similar experience to your own with the Osprey's except I didn't have to pay.

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    1. At least she was a nice lady! That's a splendid story.

      I believe that the Edinburgh Bookshop kept a small stock of audio cassettes (remember them?) of classical music on the lower sales floor (which I can't remember at all - maybe I wasn't allowed down there), but ONLY CERTAIN COMPOSERS. And if anyone wanted to order any music they did not have in stock then they could forget it, thank you. Perhaps they would rather have been missionaries?

      These Black Sisters were not in any sense proprietors - they were just employees. I wonder of they were paid for doing the job?

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  5. A very interesting read, I remember the Edinburgh Bookshop but did most of my book buying at Thins when on holidays down to see family, Made me smile on such a cold winters day.

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    1. Thin's was a great shop, though the academic section was very serious too. Must have been an orthodoxy thing.

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  6. Never encountered your type of dreaded ladies in a bookshop; I have however encountered them in toy shops at different ends of the country. I went to school in Alnwick which once upon a time had a toy / model shop which was run by mother and son (in a curious twist the son founded Barter Books, his interest being in model railways which explain the trains in the shop, itself in the old railway station). The mother was a formidable lady who had no tolerance for children. The shop had a very cramped downstairs with counter and cabinets. Access to upstairs was via a door in a partition behind which the staff served. Anyone under 18 who was unaccompanied was forbidden access to upstairs on pain of death. You had to select what you wanted from the other side of the counter, peering at what was available or being forced to ask. The son was pleasant, but being served by the mother was accompanied by much huffing and puffing and wobetide you if you took any time at choosing. Eventually you would be dismissed; with or without purchasing anything.
    I thought this was an isolated experience until I moved to Cornwall. In the old indoor market was a model / toy shop tucked away in a corner. It was a crowded small shop with a narrow blind alley in the middle of the shop. No sooner had I entered than I was accosted by the elderly lady with a "yes what do you want?" Expressing a desire to have a look around was greeted with evident disapproval. Her obvious husband looked much put upon and henpecked and gave me a sort of encouraging smile. I was then followed around the shop, with any attempt to examine the stock producing a reaction that looked like she intended to tear said item out of my grasp. I eventually found something and was greeted with "so you want to buy THAT?" with me being hurried out of the shop after handing over my money.
    No doubt there was some experience that had scarred them for life, unless it was connected to living in rural areas at the extremes of the country.....
    Neil

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    1. Thanks Neil - enjoyed that very much. There used to be a very famous, rather expensive toy shop in a village on the A1, just south of Berwick on Tweed, which sold beautiful, hand-made wooden toys, mostly from places like Slovakia and the denser bits of the Forest of Thuringia. Items such as a large wooden lorry, apparently carved by someone who had never seen a real one...

      This shop was owned by a lady and her daughter, and they very obviously hated children. My youngest son received a major telling off once, for touching the toys on display - he was 3.

      The shop has gone now - I recommended it to a friend, who made a special detour on a car journey, just to visit it (never take any recommendations from me). I have a couple of souvenirs, a nice little set of "Shut the Box" (aka "The Captain's Mistress") and a giant dice, with 65mm sides, which occasionally gets used as a marker for "The Daily Digging Number" in my own siege rules.

      The pandemic shut the shop down, alas - it must have been a blessed release for them. There was a theory the place was a front for an invasion from Outer Space.

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  7. Excellent stuff. So for any subsequent orders you placed at that store, I assume you wrote down your title as 'the Hon' rather than just 'Mr'? I seem to have heard somewhere that minor titles are often available to buy, didn't Bill Wyman do that? It probably would ensure a certain level of service. . If you could bear the grovelling, that is . Looks like your man was the 9th Viscount, who passed away in 2011.

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    1. The Melvilles lived at Melville Castle, near Dalkeith, I think. I always thought that the famous David Dundas, who produced the army drill books back in Napoleonic days, was one of them, but it seems he wasn't. OK.

      The Edinburgh Bookshop apparently had an arrangement with some bonkers old professor from the University - he may have been a medical chap - can't remember. When he was ready to leave the shop at the end of one of his visits, they would stop him at the door, guide him back gently to the sales desk, make him a cup of coffee and obtain payment for the various books he had placed in his shopping bag. He was regarded as a loveable eccentric - if I had tried this I would have never been seen again.

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    2. Indeed, Mr. Fawlty came immediately to mind for me too. Parenthetically, my late mother knew and was friendly with a similar proprietor of a B&B in Merida, Yucatan, Mexico, who was a retired Royal Navy man. Very pleasant to us non-guests, but you did not want to get on his wrong side while staying at his establishment.

      Kind Regards,

      Stokes

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    3. Stokes - he obviously ran what I think is called "a tight ship".

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  8. Mine was the Ian Allen book store in Birmingham. They had a great militaria section and usually a couple of bus spotting “untouchables” (lower down on the nerd ladder even than a wargamer like me) loudly discussing the merits or otherwise of our corporation fleet.

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    1. Splendid - a noble tradition. I sometimes wonder, do they have bus nerds in, for example, Albania? Maybe they do.

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  9. Perhaps the bookshop was just a facade? I have heard of a class of, ahem, gentleman that like to be "corrected" by stern older ladies.
    Reminds them of Matron from their formative years.
    Judges, Lords and the like.

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    1. Interesting theory. There must be a demand for it - that Rees-Mogg fellow could do with a bit of discipline, I think.

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    2. After consulting with my legal representatives, we are agreed that I cannot say I believe he is a firm candidate for this kind of service. Ooh Err.

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  10. Splendid Tony…
    I remember Browns/The Edinburgh Bookshop… that place terrified me when I was a lad… everything about it seemed to say… “go away and come back when you are clever enough… which will clearly be never”
    I think the shop may have been linked to the undead…hence the women in black… so it will not show up in a photograph or a mirror.
    Everyone I know thought that the owner of the ToyTub (for the uninitiated this was a well known Edinburgh toy shop that also sold wargames figures )hated children… even some of the staff.
    So that “what do you think you are doing in my shop” attitude isn’t just for bookshops.
    Much as I like the presence of well mannered and helpful staff, I do miss the traditional old ways 😁

    All the best. Aly.

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    1. Thanks Aly - I had a good laugh at that. On the theme of hostile Edinburgh shops, one of the worst was the old Homecrafts hobby shop on the corner of Bruntsfield Place and Gillespie Crescent. The owner (Bernard Julian?) just hated everyone - when I went in, he would complain bitterly about the previous customer who had just asked him some question or other. This bothered me, because I knew that I would be the topic of conversation with the next customer. As the years passed, and he became ever more sour, he spent less time in the shop, so that often a friend of his would be filling in. I was interested that these friends never had a single good word to say about him, either.

      I recall that one day I was looking for a flesh colour paint for Ancients, and he suggested Testor's "Wood", which was glossy and really pretty dark. He said, "That's what I use for Ancients - they were real men in those days."

      I assumed this was a joke, but no. Nothing so human as a joke. I have never met anyone who was more pallid or had such a weedy physique, so I guess his expertise in real men was mostly academic.

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    2. Oh yes! I remember Homecrafts… Mr Julian… as he liked to be called…
      A school friend and I gave him some model tanks to put in his window display… he asked us if we had any…
      We got nothing for doing this…
      One day we walked passed the shop and noticed that our toys were no longer in the window… in we went and inquired if we could have our models back…
      “Oh!… they were yours?… I threw them out… the weren’t really that good”😳
      Bitter?… not let it go yet?… of course not 😂

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    3. To return briefly to the TV theme, Mr Julian would be a good character to include in The League of Gentlemen?

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  11. I cannot fault her assessment of Ospreys...
    The public are a pain to deal with, it is understandable. Run a good shop without them intruding.
    Things seem to have flipped to the other extreme. Do you have the same, disturbing trend as we do here? Signs on counters, messages on telephone call services and so on, about treating staff with respect? It is so sad that what I assume/hope are a minority of *really* irritating, rude and selfish b@stards have sufficient impact that places of purveyance and/or service feel the need to remind customers that those on both sides of the counter are people...

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    1. Hi James - we have signs up everywhere - I think it's traced back to the pandemic, when everyone was angry and worried (and just as rude as ever). One of the lasting effects of the pandemic here is that it is almost impossible to speak to or consult a GP - they employ very tough ladies indeed as receptionists, and their job is primarily to say "no". Essentially, triage is now carried out by people with no qualification at all, and there must be many people in the UK who have suffered severely from (non-Covid) illnesses which were not diagnosed or treated because the sufferer was knocked back ab initio by the tough lady on the desk. The relevance to your comment is that if you phone our local surgery, you now get a preliminary 2-minute harangue from the senior doctor about the need to be courteous to the receptionists, who are doing their best in difficult circumstances; this is to raise your blood pressure BEFORE you get to speak to the dragons themselves. I was thinking of having a T-shirt printed, with a suitable notice about the need to be treated with respect as a customer or patient, and then I can wear it when I go to stand in the half-hour queue at our local Post Office. Of course, I'll never do any such thing, in case someone gives me a telling-off.

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  12. A very entertaining discussion! I don't think I've ever come across quite such an unwelcoming bookshop as those discussed and I've visited many in the UK over the past 60 years or so. Lucky or just unobservant, I wonder? ;-)

    Cheers,

    David.

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    1. Hi David - there was definitely something odd about the vibe in the shops in Central Edinburgh in the 70s. Hard to explain, or even to describe adequately. I saw it again, years later, in Interlaken, where shopkeepers would follow customers around the shop to check they didn't pinch anything!

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