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Friday 22 March 2024

WSS: Sieges? - Shopping List for Starters

 I still have a couple of units to paint, but the completion of the Hessian Horse marks the Official Unofficial End of Phase One-B of my WSS Project.

Next on the agenda is to put together enough kit to add siege warfare to the period. I have siege rules (at least 2 sets, one of which is almost certainly the starting place for The Game Which Is To Come), I have fortresses in two different styles, and boxes of buildings; I have trenches and gun emplacements and all sorts - what I need now are siege artillery, gunners to man the stuff and some engineers.  

 
Bags of stuff

My WSS infantry units comprise 3 bases each; to make them suitable for siege duty, each unit needs only to give its command base the afternoon off, so they can operate on a compact frontage, without some daft wazzock riding a horse or waving a flag. You see? - I have already thought about this!

I already have numerous field guns, in national colours, with gunners in the correct uniforms glued to the stands. To try to extend this system to siege guns would be folly, so I shall go for a studied (though dirty) compromise. I shall paint up mortars and siege guns in a boringly neutral scheme - brown wood carriages, bronze barrels, black ironwork, and I shall field small gun crews, dressed variously in blue uniforms or grey uniforms, sometimes with red cuffs, who will be based singly, and will be grouped in 2s (for mortars) or 3s (for battering guns) around the non-specific guns as necessary.

One of the beauties of the 2 and 3 man crews is that I can omit the man with the rammer, which is inappropriate for a mortar and ludicrously short for a battering piece. If anyone is puzzled by the uniforms, then I shall claim that there are Dutch gunners at work, or Walloons, or possibly militia, or whatever suits the occasion. In a siege it is very clear which side each unit is on, just from their position, so the uniforms should not constitute a problem. Anyone who is still unhappy is obviously just trying to be difficult.

I'll come back to the guns themselves in a minute. I have oodles of spare gunners, some of them painted, some not. The broken ones can be converted into engineering and sapping roles, and I shall make as much use of pre-painted ones as possible.

 
Eric's home-brewed sappers (ex ECW)

I have a good number of odd officers, in odd uniforms, who can be handed out as senior engineers to all comers. Some work will be necessary to fudge together some actual engineers and sappers, but I'm off to a flying start since I have a group of converted sappers from Eric Knowles' mighty collection, which I propose to polish up a little. I don't care for the hardboard bases, so will attempt to remove them, though I fear this may risk damaging the conversions, in which case I shall stop very quickly. Gunners and engineers will be based singly. I think this will all be fine.

 
Another survivor from Eric's armies - he could be surprised to find he's an engineer

 Which brings me back to the heavy ordnance. I have a good selection of mortars of various sizes, most of them from Lancer Miniatures 20mm SYW range (which I think may be OOP now, replaced by 18mm). I have a good number of suitable biggish field guns in the pile already, which should help, but for yer actual 24pdr battering guns I need to think carefully. I have a few hefty guns, mostly 25mm Hinchliffe pieces, which are quite nice and might do the job, but I think (if I can still get them) I'll try to get 4 of the Marlburian siege gun from Miniature Figurines - catalogue number is MALA 3 - which I used to equip my Napoleonic French siege train. 

 
Minifigs MALA 3 siege guns, in use with my Napoleonic French siege train

I would also like, if they are still available, some garrison-style guns for the defenders, which are especially useful as they have a small footprint. I have 2 such guns in the spares boxes - I think they are Hinchliffe - they are not ships' guns, because ships' guns have solid wooden wheels. I'm checking these out.  

 
Hinchliffe spares - garrison guns on the left - I need a few more

I am disappointed to note that the old specialist artillery makers in 1/72 and 20mm seem to have disappeared - Finescale Factory have gone, and Art Miniaturen seem to have cut back on their more obscure artillery offerings. On the other hand, there must be a world full of guys making 3D-printed masterpieces which might be just the thing, if I only knew they were out there. That's the main reason for this post - to see if anyone has any good ideas about this 3D world. My soldiers are small 20mm - bigger than 18mm, but smaller than 1/72. I would happily use a 25mm scale model as a honking great gun, but it would have to fit the period pretty well.

Any thoughts?

25 comments:

  1. Those Minifigs siege guns look just the ticket! I like the idea of gun crews that can bat for either side I think I once did something similar for ACW. Looking forward to the result of your endeavours!

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    1. Hi Ian - I seem to have managed to order 4 of the MALA 3 models from Caliver - I've no particular reason to be suspicious about it, but recent experience with them has been uneven. That still leaves me with the challenge of getting a couple of the Hinch garrison guns, but I've asked Lancashire Games for a photo, to confirm it's the right one. Neither of these firms appears to have updated their website since Xmas, which bothers me a tad!

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  2. For garrison guns, have you thought about ship cannon kits?

    https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati-cannons-carriages.html

    Most 3d printed guns I've seen are 28mm...
    Neil

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    1. The little kit guns are interesting - I see they do them solid cast as well. Thanks for link.

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  3. I have a spare 25mm 3D printed gun which would make a 'honking great gun' if you'd like it. I could send pictures if interested next to a ruler and some Hinton Hunts for scaling if you're in doubt.

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    1. Rob - thanks for this - if it's possible, I'd appreciate a photo, as you suggest, to give me an idea what's out there!

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  4. An interesting project, within a project!! Looking forward to seeing your progress on this.

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    1. It's taken a good while to get to this stage, so I'm keen not to drop the ball here! I have some siege rules I drafted myself for the ECW, substantially based on Chris Duffy's Sandhurst game from "Fire & Stone", which need some work but are heading in the right direction. I also have Piquet's "Vauban's War", which are thorough but involve a couple of Piquet's running themes: unnecessary complexity when it isn't really needed, and a weird obsession with polydice which is a religion of its own - it does have some good ideas, though!

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  5. I've got 4 boxes of Eric's artillery and limbers. Dave Crook gave them to me last month. I'm not going to use them all so some might fit your plans. Once I've sorted them out, I'll send you some pics.

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    1. Ray - I appreciate this - thanks. Eric was very liberal about mixing scales - I passed over some of his 18th Century artillery collection (which was otherwise terrific!) because a lot was 28mm, but I'm very interested to see what you've got. Please don't go to any trouble here, but a photo would be great. Regards - Tony

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  6. Hi Tony - you could try this place https://www.speira.net/product-tag/artillery/ in my experience, a lot of 3d printed stuff is scaleable - 15mm 20mm 1/72 28mm and so on....good luck!

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    1. Thanks Keith - impressive link! I've heard of Speira before - I think they did some commission work for the Waterloo diorama - they certainly seem to have the ACW sewn up.

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  7. Can't help you with the 20 mm artillery, although Old Glory does some nice mortars in their ECW range, that would almost certainly work fine with 20 mm figures.

    I like those Minifigs "siege" guns a lot; I mat have to pick up some myself!

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    1. Thanks for Old Glory suggestion Peter - I'll check them out.

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    2. International shipping is a bear almost everywhere. Here's my post on these figures: https://blundersonthedanube.blogspot.com/2020/04/siege-mortars-by-old-glory.html

      If you don't mind waiting until July/August of this year, I could easily buy them, pick them up at Historicon (no US shipping, and renew my OG Army card, which means they are 40% off!), have Tim or David take them back to the UK, and mail them to you from Scotland.

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    3. Oh, and mine came 4 to a pack.

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    4. Thanks again Peter - I had a look at your 2020 post - there is something strangely hypnotic about the photos!

      Old Glory UK apparently do stock the full range, but do not distinguish between 25mm and 28mm, because no-one else does. Silly me, eh?

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    5. Hypnotic, as in, "You need a full siege train of Mortars, you need a full siege train of Mortars..."? :-)

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    6. Maybe so - I think my eyes get bigger and bigger staring at all those mortars...

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  8. Interesting stuff, and good that you are attempting to reflect the importance of sieges in the period - wasn't John Churchill actually quite unusual in seeking out decisive field battles? Those big siege guns do look good!
    I will be very interested to see how you proceed with siege games - a very generous gentleman from North Britain sent me a rather lovely model of Vauban-style fortifications, and I need to make use of it sometime soon...


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    1. I found that the Hinch garrison guns are still available (cat no. 25/AB) so have ordered a couple more - thanks to Simon at Lancashire Games for sending a photo. The small discrepancy in scale, nationality and century is neither here nor there!

      If we agree that I need a supply of big guns, then the only thing I have to add is "BANG"!!.

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    2. I don't know if you saw it at the time, but i gave Piquet's "Vauban's Wars" siege rules quite a workout a couple of years ago. Not Vauban, but a decent representation of a Peninsular War siege.

      https://prometheusinaspic.blogspot.com/2022/02/sieges-siege-of-toro-1811-part-1-of.html

      and the subsequent post.

      If I use VW again, I will almost certainly modify the bits that I found irritating, but there's a lot of good stuff in there! I've also worked out that if I deploy my ECW Sconce in its two halves, I can put two very presentable hornworks in front of any kind of gate I fancy, so the scope for variation of my rather one-trick Vauban fort is looking good.

      Anyway - priority problem is to put together enough heavy ordnance, gunners and sappers for the WSS!

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    3. Great stuff; I think I did miss that one, and when I look at the date, I see why that probably was - Feb 2022, the height of the Omicron surge of COVID, during which I lost several patients, and my nearly 98 year old mom to the disease... having lost none to COVID up to that point. .

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