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Tuesday, 7 December 2021

Hooptedoodle #414 - All Change in the World of Rubbish

 Back in 2015, I did a post on the new waste collection and recycling regs here and, perhaps predictably, I was rather less than wholehearted in my enthusiasm.

The new regime at that time involved 5 separate waste bins for each household: a small grey one for food waste, which was collected every Thursday; a fullsize wheelie with a red top for plastics, glass and metal, collected every 2nd Thursday; another wheelie with a blue top for paper and cardboard, also collected every 2nd Thursday; a green wheelie for general (landfill) waste, collected every 2nd Friday, and a brown wheelie for garden waste, which I think was supposed to be collected once a month, but in fact collection was so irregular that we usually missed it, and I can't remember what the official regime was [garden waste here mostly goes to my personal dump in the woods behind my house].

It worked. As usual, of course, it worked because the council-tax-paying residents put in enough personal effort to make it work, but I have become comfortable with the system, being reconciled to the fact that all this industry is aimed at saving the planet (which I can't fault as an objective) and at reducing the proportion of Council employees who actually do the work, as opposed to managing things.

I was occasionally horrified by the speed with which we could fill the plastics bin, but this has a lot to do with Tesco's commitment to wrapping everything in several layers of clear plastic. [I've never understood this - if I buy a pack of dry pasta, I don't really need to see what macaroni looks like - I've seen it before.] It also had a lot to do with our son's fondness for microwavable curries, but, since he has now gone away to college, we might expect this to reduce a bit. Whatever, our waste collection system became a sequence of known activity days, and the size of the bins seemed fine.

I became aware that the bigger villages around here did not have the red and blue-topped wheelie bins - waste collection day in those places involved some rather silly little tubs with elasticated tops, which were liable to blow about on windy mornings. In fact a couple of friends of mine who live in such villages were interested to see that we had our bins, which they regarded as old-fashioned and a little quaint.

OK - this year we were told there would be a change out here in the sticks. We would come into line with the bigger villages, would lose our red and blue-topped bins, and would be issued with the tubs (black for glass, blue for paper and card) and a weighted white bag for plastics. There will be a single fortnightly collection of "Recycling" - the tubs and the white bag. This requires us to alter our definitions of what-goes-in-where, but seems fine. We will now have 6 bins, with a different timetable. I can handle that.

Not so fast.

(1) the new arrangements were supposed to start back in September or thereabout - the idea was that there would be a final collection of the old bins (which would be emptied for the last time by the special bin-tipping truck, and taken away by a separate wagon accompanying the collecting truck on this final round), and after that we would just have to get used to putting the glass in a new container, plus some other minor adjustments to the list of permissable rubbish items, and the new regime would be running.

(2) there is no way that I propose to keep outdoor bins anywhere in the house, so we have to have a set of indoor containers which map on to the outdoor ones - this is simple enough: we just need a new indoor tub for glass.

(3) the first bad news was that there was some unexplained delay in the issue of the new tubs, so we carried on with the blue and red-tops until we received the new kit. At this point the Council stopped issuing meaningful timetables - the guys with the recycling truck did a best-endeavours run whenever they could to clear up in these fringe areas. It worked better than you might expect, but my wife is an enthusiastic reader of the Council's website. The delay was apparently something to do with obtaining supplies of the new tubs - this may have been associated with Covid, or the involvement of Bastard Foreigners - possibly both.

 
The New Tubs have arrived

(4) whatever, our new tubs arrived a few days ago. There was, fleetingly, mention of a special final run on Sunday (the Sabbath!) this week, but it didn't happen, so we put our old bins out again for the Monday run, and that didn't happen either.

(5) hmmm.

(6) it now seems very likely that there is no plan for the old bins, that the Council has already disposed of the special bin-tipping truck, and we await instructions. Since life must continue in the meantime, I guess that we start putting out recycling according to the new regs as from next Monday (or possibly the one after).

 
Our Old Recycling Bins (which are full) are bravely making their Last Stand, though I believe the Real World could not care less

(7) alas, the old bins are full, and the new tubs have about one fifth of their capacity, and the definition of what is allowed has changed. I am confident that nothing will ever happen to cover the changeover - I will have to sort the contents of our old bins into plastic bags, removing glass and putting it in a separate bag. Then I will have to take it to the Council Dump, which has slightly different definitions, since it uses different contractors.

(8) when and if anyone ever collects the old bins, and whether they warn us when they are coming, depends very much on whether they still have any grown-ups involved at the Waste Disposal department. It remains to be seen.

 
Our new timetable. Going back to September, there is a sequence of blue rectangles which did not apply to us, since we did not have the new tubs at these dates. As an aside, I am surprised that someone at the Council decided that a red pentangle was a good icon to represent a green dustbin. I confess I wouldn't have thought of that one

Not a serious matter, in the overall scale of things, but again I am left to wonder why as a society we are no longer able to organise anything. I mean anything. Too much communication, devoid of useful content; too many people at pains to avoid blame at all costs. Probably, also, too many entitled citizens (like me?) prepared to whinge about change, but it does feel as though I am running pretty hard on the spot to cover the cracks in the system.

I am warned that there is a pile of additional rules - we must have our bins out by 7am on collection day or we will miss the boat, and the green and brown bins must have the handles facing outwards, or else. For a crazy moment I wondered if someone might suggest that the emptied bins should be left somewhere other than the middle of the residents' gates, but I realised that this is unreasonable, and laughed at myself.

We are, of course, lucky to have rubbish at all - I understand this. Perhaps if Boris had fewer pals in the packaging industry things would be easier?



23 comments:

  1. I feel for you - especially in the red symbol denoting a green bin collection. We've been cursed at work with green bins for unrecyclable waste - Arrrrgggghh!
    BTW what are you supposed to do with waste that isn't glass, paper/card or plastics?

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    1. Hi Rob - we're OK for the non-recyclable stuff - they've only replaced the 2 old recycling bins with 3 (small) new ones - the green landfill bin, the grey food bin and the brown garden-waste bin are still in action!

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  2. God bless you, what a carry on!.
    I worked in a biggish department store where we all fastidiously separated the card and plastics for years only to find out the whole lot got mixed up in the wagon then went to landfill.
    Then again there's a bloke near my mothers house who never recycles a thing, he nicked someone's rubbish bin so he has two bins piled up and spilling out over the path. Nobody gives a monkeys!.
    Never mind we still do our best to do the right thing.
    Regards,
    Paul.

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    1. Hi Paul - there were numerous tales around for a while of what happened in the UK when the Chinese stopped accepting landfill waste from the rest of the world. The important difference was that suddenly everyone could see that a lot of the advertised recycling didn't happen.

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  3. Similar situation here I’m afraid, 6 different types of waste for us to recycle but our problem is they collect general rubbish in council issued grey bags only. Fine idea but they have yet to issue all of us with our anticipated years supply of grey bags (no one is owning up as to why) and the bin men are refusing to take the rubbish we’ve been forced to put out in black bags….aaaaargh!

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    1. You mean they won't accept your rubbish because they haven't issued you with the grey bags? This is worth a spot on R5L's breakfast show.

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  4. Having very similar problems down here in Devon.
    The middle of this year South Hams council switched from in house collection to a private firm, also switched to super recycle for waste. With the delivery of boxes and bags like yours, turned into a total nightmare and missed collections the firm unable to get the collection vehicles down the narrow roads, if I was not paying for the luxury I would have to laugh. The words hell in a hand cart spring to mind, 2021 and we can not collect rubbish as well as the Victorians could.
    Anywho excellent wargaming blog, fantastic read and keep on wargaming.

    Willz.

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    1. Thanks Willz - I guess we will have to make sense of it and try to cope, but it does seem that things are mostly organised by people who do not know what they are doing. There's a PhD thesis in there somewhere!

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    2. Yes those who run the collections could tell you the cubic capacity of a milk bottle but do not know how to make a cup of tea.

      Willz.

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    3. Agreed - the irony is that the person that used to make their tea has been made redundant.

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  5. I knew there was going to be a donkey at the end of this tale 😂
    The recycling thing never seems to be joined up or properly organised in the U.K.
    You faithfully do your recycling bit and then you find out that a lot of it ends up in landfill because the infrastructure isn’t in place to sort it out…
    Although it’s not just the councils it’s the people as well…
    When I lived in a little village outside Nottingham we used to separate out everything… even the glass was put into separate little boxes for clear and coloured items.
    I was walking to the shops one morning and watched the whole lot go into the back of the same truck…sigh!
    The other side of this was when we were in Nottingham city centre…. The powers that be gave the flats a nice big green recycling dumpster…. Next morning it was completely filled with what looked like most of a double bed and a fridge…
    Buy the end of the week… it was gone…sigh!
    That said I will still continue to sort out my rubbish…

    All of the best. Aly

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    1. Hi Aly - it is, as you say, Donkey Time. The idea that recyling might be a scam to get the public to do more of the work is especially grievous. This is politically tricky here - one of my older sons, years ago, couldn't sleep at night because he was crying about the fate of the rainforests, which was being pumped into them at primary school. He was 5. More recently, one of the many reasons my youngest son despises me is because he learned at school that I, apparently, am single-handedly responsible for global warming. I have to watch my step - tricky...

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  6. My late mother was petrified by the recycling bins she didnt have a clue what went in where and read scare stories about people being fined for not recycling properly. I told here to dump it all the the waste bin and stop worrying about it because most goes to land fill anyway. That was true at the time [2009]. We only have two bins and I think that once you get too many bins it becomes far too onerous for the residents, often living alone and elderly to comprehend. The systen of colours is counter intuitive too and there is no standardisation across local authorities either. If you think about it food and garden waste are both organic but meat cannot be mixed in but fruit and vegetables can be mixed with plant waste. You have paper, glass, plastic and metals next all of which are possible to be recycled if there is the political will to for recycling onto packaging producers. The rest is the sort of contaminated waste that is only fit to be incinerated to produce heat and power.

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    1. If there were genuinely good ideas around about this stuff, you would think there would be standard approaches, used and understood by everyone involved.

      Digression - a long time before 2009, Liverpool Promenade and the Garden Festival site were built on landfill, and - sort of by accident! - they found that there was a lot of methane coming off the rubbish. They sealed it, buried it and built a small power station which burned the methane to generate power for the lighting of the area. I guess that may have run out years ago, but I was reminded of it by the reference to incineration.

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  7. Does it make you wonder how much the chap who devised the 'system' is paid?
    It doesn't work too badly here, to be fair, but I might question the advisability of the emptied wheelie bins being left on the causeway of a row of terraced houses on an exposed ridge. If it's at all windy (e.g. this week) we come home to find half the bins have congregated at the far end and appear to be plotting together.

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    1. You think the wheelie bins are in on this as well? Maybe they should get the bins to organise it.

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    2. Absolutely. They are trying to take over the world; lizards in disguise. Only my tinfoil 'at is saving us.

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  8. Just a test that Google is now allowing me to comment again - please ignore.

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    1. Sorry Rob - can't hear a thing - just a buzzing noise!

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  9. Similar stories here in Canada though in my town we only have to sort trash ( one bag per two weeks) and weekly paper (grey bin), glass or plastic packaging (blue bin) and organics (green bin). I slavishly compost everything organic so I only need worry about recycling. Have also heard that it all ends up in the landfill. There was a fellow I met in the parish, who had served his gaol sentence and could only find work on a trash truck, an arduous job in our winters. He told me his peers were less than scrupulous with where it all ended up, but I do my bit for the planet regardless.
    So what happens to your old wheelie bins, can they be recycled?😏

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    1. This is all becoming a major industry - at least we are told that it is. Maybe some people are just making a lot of money out of a scam. About 10 years ago, recycling was quite exciting around here. I remember meeting an elderly couple who had boiled a kettle of water to sterilise about half a dozen plastic yogurt pots, and then had driven 10 miles in their Bentley to the village dump, in order to save the planet. That caused me some misgivings about the future.

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  10. It certainly IS a major industry - we have three or four different companies collecting from our small cul de sac of about thirty houses - although to be fair to them, it all seems to work pretty well. We have three bins - red top for general crap, yellow for recycling and green (optional and costs extra) for garden waste. Red collected every Tues except when Mon is a public holiday which has been the case the whole 34 years I have been in Auckland but a significant number of people STILL get wrong! Yellow is collected every second Thursday (it IS a bigger capacity bin) and the garden bag they come once a month randomly and my wife gets a text and/or we watch out for other green bins being put out. Occasionally, to spice things up, the companies ignore a Monday public holiday and come on Tues as normal - or if its Christmas and half the week has been public holidays, they come on the weekend and cause entertaining scenes of half clad residents attempting to get their bins to the kerb side as the truck sprints down the street, not collecting anything because no one knew he was coming - a win win for the driver who gets extra pay for working at the weekend and finishes his run in a quarter of the normal time! :)

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    1. An early, flying visit from the dustman, which succeeds in avoiding the rubbish. Ideal. Perfection. Reminds me of the signed-for special deliveries by Royal Mail in the Berwickshire county town of Duns, near here, which are made first thing in the morning, before the main mail round, and also before all the business premises have anyone in them to sign for the special delivery...

      Your arrangement of bins and colours is impressive. In the slightly more urban bits of our neighbourhood, the rules change occasionally when they subcontract the collection to a new outside firm - depends what kind of trucks they have. Something not quite right here.

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